June 2023 Update

Stage 2 Community Asset Transfer

We have great pleasure to announce that we have received notification, direct from the office of Tameside Council, that we have been invited to progress to Stage 2 of its approved Community Asset Transfer policy. We have now been asked to submit a detailed business case to the Council for review before October.

Obviously, we have to adhere to the councils expectations and requirements if this is to be successful, but this is fantastic news going forward. There will be an enormous amount of work to be completed in the next few months, including researching, bid writing and business planning, also advice & information to receive from a wide range of professionals, who have experience in this type of conservation project, including forward thinking towards sustainability & inclusion.

Everyone in the group is invited to participate with ideas & suggestions, support and help. We will be calling out for specific industry advice over the coming weeks.
Thank you for your continued patience, and we look forward to working with you all as individuals, as well as collaborating with existing community groups & local businesses for participation in this amazing project for our conservatory going forward.

We look forward to receiving your emails into johnnieldconservatory@gmail.com

Blackett-Ord add support to our campaign

Conservation Engineering firm Blackett-Ord has this week completed a structural survey of the John Neild Conservatory.

In what can only be seen as a major coup for the group, we have not only managed to receive the backing of this prestigious and award-winning conservation business; we managed to enlist their services to inspect the building ahead of a crucial meeting with Tameside Council on the conservatory’s future.

Based in Liverpool and Cumbria, Blackett-Ord are a multidisciplinary team whose portfolio covers the preservation and conservation of a wide range of buildings; from ancient ruins, listed buildings, historic estates and landscapes.

As part of the conditions set by the council for the structural survey, we cannot publicise any content of the report that Blackett-Ord will produce. We can, however, report the Engineers thoughts on leaving the building…

Whilst the key problem appears to be the materials used during the 1980s restoration, the building is probably has a life expectancy of around 5 years.

The building is not about to collapse, or be blown over in the next winter storm; but we will lose it if we don’t act now.

Lancashire Gardens Trust

Lancashire Gardens Trust is a specialist organisation with expertise in the documentation and preservation of designed landscapes (e.g. Public Parks). In October, they issued the following Statement of Significance to Tameside MBC. To date there has been no reply from TMBC, which leaves the question… why are TMBC not engaging with these experts?

Here follows the Trust’s Statement of Significance, so that you can decide for yourself whether there is anything contoversial in their statement.

STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE, STAMFORD PARK CONSERVATORY

Historic England measures the significance of a heritage park or garden in four ways –

Evidential significance: the surviving built fabric above or below ground, the archival evidence relating to the landscape and the surviving horticultural species within it.
Historical significance: Illustrative details recounting the creation of the site’s features from its beginning to the present day. Associative details recounting the notable people who have connections with the site, whether they were an owner, tenant, designer or architect.
Aesthetic significance: the layout, design and views which may include several layers created in different periods to different styles.
Communal: the value placed on the site by those people who feel connected to it by proximityor memory.

EVIDENTIAL SIGNIFICANCE The structure of the conservatory is largely intact, to include the two tall plant houses and the joining corridor between them; the basement rooms are intact. Historic England however notes that following the last repair certain parts of the structure have been lost. Archival evidence relates the name of the donor and date of construction, 1907; articles in the gardening press of the day describe the contents (see Conservation Management Plan 2007). Horticultural species lost.

HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE – ILLUSTRATIVE In 1907 the conservatory was opened, the result of a gift by John Nield. This may have been a recommendation by the Earl of Stamford who donated land for the park, since in 1903 the firm Messenger & Co built one for him in the grounds of Dunham Massey. ASSOCIATIVE The most prominent benefactor was the Earl of Stamford of Dunham Massey who gave land; Samuel Oldham, a local mill owner, bequeathed money for a park in his will; Henry Darnton, his executor, later made the legal arrangements; John Nield donated the money for the extensive conservatory, welcomed “not only for its charming beauty, but as an educational institution.” One hundred feet long with two wings linked by a corridor and heated, the conservatory held “palms, banana, orange, cotton and trees and subtropical plants in profusion” (Ashton Reporter).

AESTHETIC The conservatory stands in a prominent position and has a majestic presence, making a strong focal point. Backed by mature specimen trees which give shelter and scale, it is fronted by formal lawns and flower beds, some displaying the famous tulips in colourful patterns. Its loss would create a visual void, for the adjacent landscaping has been planned around it. It represents a form of glasshouse little seen today, an expression of the confidence of the Edwardian age. Its plant collections were intended to delight and to educate, showing banana, coffee and cotton plants; these are still of interest today as we try to re-connect our children with the sources of their food and clothing. The growing interest in exotic cookery also could be related to these unusual plants.

COMMUNAL Older residents have fond memories of time spent in this park, firstly in their youth and secondly when they had young families and came here for fun and relaxation. In the surveys conducted prior to the Lottery Fund restoration work, residents placed the conservatory in 5th place on their list of favourite amenities (CMP 2007).

SWOT [Editor Note – Abbreviation for SWOT assessment]
Strengths: a visually imposing and pleasing structure which commands an important place in the park; it is rare in the whole of Lancashire, Greater Manchester and Merseyside being one of only 5 similar structures. Others are Sefton Palm House, Stanley Park Isla Gladstone conservatory (both Liverpool), Alexandra Park conservatory, Oldham and Corporation Park conservatory, Blackburn. The latter is awaiting restoration, whilst the others have seen major work which has equipped them for present-day use and enjoyment.
Weakness: neglect has caused a deteriorating condition.
Opportunities: heritage restoration has been proved to stimulate both economic revival and community revival. A glamorous venue lifts people’s spirits and attracts attention; a more lively range of events stimulates interest; there is great interest in indoor plants because gardens to new houses are smaller.
Threats: Continual neglect causes disappointment in visitors and brings down the atmosphere of the whole park. Demolition will leave an enormous void.

Current Situation

The process of saving the John Neild Conservatory has many aspects and the Group is working tirelessly behind the scenes in several areas. Hopefully, this news page will help share where we are with current progress. For further information, please follow our Facebook Group .

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Historic England Listing Status

The Group has recently had a set-back in their campaign, with the news that Historic England will not be granting Listed Status to the Conservatory.

In their reply, The Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport has decided not to add the John Nield Conservatory to the List of Buildings of Special Architectural or Historic Interest. [Read the Historic England response in full]

REASONS FOR DESIGNATION DECISION The John Nield Conservatory, which is prominently-sited in the registered landscape of Stamford Park, is not recommended for listing for the following principal reasons: Degree of architectural interest:

  • The impact of alterations has compromised the integrity of the original design.Degree of historic interest:
  • The connection with John Nield, and the strong communal value, are of local rather than national significance
  • Degree of group value: The group value with the registered landscape and nearby listed structures is not sufficient to outweigh the impact of alterations.

Whilst this is a disappointing response from Historic England, obtaining Listing Status was ony one avenue to getting the Conservatory preserved. The report acknowledges the local historic value (undoubted value they say) and goes as far as suggesting that the Conservatory may be registered as a Community Asset instead.

Save Stamford Park Greenhouse Group has been working on the Community Asset registration for some months. The acknowledgement from Historic England that this is a potential solution, can only help our cause.